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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks a lot and sorry about the misunderstanding of documentation here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Found the solution:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I was placing policy rule on role B as assignment instead of inducement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"> midPoint <midpoint-bounces@lists.evolveum.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pavol Mederly via midPoint<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:26<br>
<b>To:</b> midpoint@lists.evolveum.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pavol Mederly <mederly@evolveum.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [midPoint] hasNoAssignment policy constraint<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hello Stéphane,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I would consider formulating the rule like this: "It is illegal to have a role B and not have role A (at the same time)" - forgetting about the assignment-oriented, transition-related "assignment" constraint, but simply using two object-oriented, state-related
ones: hasAssignment, hasNoAssignment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Pavol Mederly<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13/10/2022 17:08, Delcourt Stéphane via midPoint wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Pavol,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for all your suggestions, I did not knew about the third one and give it a try.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">IT helps me to understand that my policy constraint did not apply user having assignment to role A but role B having assignment to role A.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I now understand the meaning of “evaluated on” column in the wiki sorry about that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Then I’m back at the beginning and my main goal is to achieve the opposite of exclusion constraint.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:FR-BE">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:FR-BE"> midPoint
<a href="mailto:midpoint-bounces@lists.evolveum.com"><midpoint-bounces@lists.evolveum.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pavol Mederly via midPoint<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 October 2022 12:34<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:midpoint@lists.evolveum.com">midpoint@lists.evolveum.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pavol Mederly <a href="mailto:mederly@evolveum.com"><mederly@evolveum.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [midPoint] hasNoAssignment policy constraint</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Hello, Stéphane,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">just a few general comments:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">I would search the midPoint sources for <hasNoAssignment> string. We try to do the development seriously, so every feature should have (at least) one test for it.
</span>This one is no exception.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">I would search the docs.evolveum.com for "hasNoAssignment". Here the situation is a bit worse. The feature is not quite finished - it was sponsored to some extent; but additional resources are needed to document it properly. However, this
work-in-progress document could help: </span><a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.evolveum.com%2Fmidpoint%2Fdevel%2Fdesign%2Fpolicy-constraints%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cstephane.delcourt%40ulb.be%7Cb0646af7b9ae4ea9c17308daad401051%7C30a5145e75bd4212bb028ff9c0ea4ae9%7C0%7C0%7C638012787927111951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Re6tROg4dO3nul7syM7JqwoXjmSBgScZr8obXW9wbak%3D&reserved=0"><span lang="EN-US">https://docs.evolveum.com/midpoint/devel/design/policy-constraints/</span></a><span lang="EN-US">.
</span>(The formatting problems are due to wiki migration.)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">As for debugging, policy constraints do not have "<tracing>" flag nor the comprehensive troubleshooting methodology (as mappings do). So I use the (experimental)
</span><a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.evolveum.com%2Fmidpoint%2Freference%2Fdiag%2Ftroubleshooting%2Ftroubleshooting-with-traces%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cstephane.delcourt%40ulb.be%7Cb0646af7b9ae4ea9c17308daad401051%7C30a5145e75bd4212bb028ff9c0ea4ae9%7C0%7C0%7C638012787927111951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Zav91HQESQmUC6czdsLRVOr3IVdM5TKHkPyl1z7omtI%3D&reserved=0"><span lang="EN-US">troubleshooting
with traces</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> to diagnose issues with them.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">Personally, I would be greatly interested in how many installations do use policy rules, and this one in particular.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">-- </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Pavol Mederly</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Software developer</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">evolveum.com</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 10/10/2022 12:54, Delcourt Stéphane via midPoint wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Does someone know how to deal with this policy constraint ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My idea is to use it for role dependency as intended
</span><a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjira.evolveum.com%2Fbrowse%2FMID-4068&data=05%7C01%7Cstephane.delcourt%40ulb.be%7Cb0646af7b9ae4ea9c17308daad401051%7C30a5145e75bd4212bb028ff9c0ea4ae9%7C0%7C0%7C638012787927111951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0S7Qs0gQX5qbsWZb3dVU572g1hS9%2BaVD5m%2FH3YGaoGA%3D&reserved=0"><span lang="EN-US">https://jira.evolveum.com/browse/MID-4068</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So I want to add policy constraint in role B to block user receiving it if not assigned of role A</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Here’s the code sample I’m using in role B:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <assignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <policyRule></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <name>exclude-if-no-role-a</name></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <policyConstraints></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <hasNoAssignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <targetRef oid="role_a_oid" type="RoleType"/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </hasNoAssignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </policyConstraints></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <policyActions></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <enforcement/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </policyActions></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </policyRule></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </assignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But this does not trigger any error when I try to assign role B to a user not having role A.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What am I missing here ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I don’t even know how to debug this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your help<o:p></o:p></p>
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