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<p>Stéphane,</p>
<p>I am glad you found the solution. And there is no need to
apologize! :)<br>
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Pavol Mederly
Software developer
evolveum.com</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/10/2022 10:30, Delcourt Stéphane
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks a lot and sorry
about the misunderstanding of documentation here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Found the solution:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I was placing policy
rule on role B as assignment instead of inducement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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midPoint <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:midpoint-bounces@lists.evolveum.com"><midpoint-bounces@lists.evolveum.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pavol Mederly via midPoint<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 October 2022 19:26<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:midpoint@lists.evolveum.com">midpoint@lists.evolveum.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pavol Mederly <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mederly@evolveum.com"><mederly@evolveum.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [midPoint] hasNoAssignment policy
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<p>Hello Stéphane,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I would consider formulating the rule like this: "It is
illegal to have a role B and not have role A (at the same
time)" - forgetting about the assignment-oriented,
transition-related "assignment" constraint, but simply using
two object-oriented, state-related ones: hasAssignment,
hasNoAssignment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Pavol Mederly<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Software developer<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13/10/2022 17:08, Delcourt Stéphane
via midPoint wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Pavol,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for all your
suggestions, I did not knew about the third one and give
it a try.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">IT helps me to
understand that my policy constraint did not apply user
having assignment to role A but role B having assignment
to role A.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I now understand the
meaning of “evaluated on” column in the wiki sorry about
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Then I’m back at the
beginning and my main goal is to achieve the opposite of
exclusion constraint.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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midPoint
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 October 2022 12:34<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [midPoint] hasNoAssignment policy
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Hello, Stéphane,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">just a few general comments:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">I would search the midPoint sources for
<hasNoAssignment> string. We try to do the
development seriously, so every feature should have (at
least) one test for it.
</span>This one is no exception.<o:p></o:p></li>
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<span lang="EN-US">I would search the docs.evolveum.com
for "hasNoAssignment". Here the situation is a bit
worse. The feature is not quite finished - it was
sponsored to some extent; but additional resources are
needed to document it properly. However, this
work-in-progress document could help: </span><a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.evolveum.com%2Fmidpoint%2Fdevel%2Fdesign%2Fpolicy-constraints%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cstephane.delcourt%40ulb.be%7Cb0646af7b9ae4ea9c17308daad401051%7C30a5145e75bd4212bb028ff9c0ea4ae9%7C0%7C0%7C638012787927111951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Re6tROg4dO3nul7syM7JqwoXjmSBgScZr8obXW9wbak%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://docs.evolveum.com/midpoint/devel/design/policy-constraints/</span></a><span
lang="EN-US">.
</span>(The formatting problems are due to wiki
migration.)<o:p></o:p></li>
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<span lang="EN-US">As for debugging, policy constraints do
not have "<tracing>" flag nor the comprehensive
troubleshooting methodology (as mappings do). So I use
the (experimental)
</span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">troubleshooting
with traces</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> to diagnose
issues with them.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<span lang="EN-US">Personally, I would be greatly
interested in how many installations do use policy
rules, and this one in particular.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">-- </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Pavol Mederly</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Software developer</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">evolveum.com</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 10/10/2022 12:54,
Delcourt Stéphane via midPoint wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Does someone know
how to deal with this policy constraint ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My idea is to use it
for role dependency as intended
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So I want to add
policy constraint in role B to block user receiving it
if not assigned of role A</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Here’s the code
sample I’m using in role B:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<assignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<policyRule></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<name>exclude-if-no-role-a</name></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<policyConstraints></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<hasNoAssignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<targetRef oid="role_a_oid" type="RoleType"/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
</hasNoAssignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
</policyConstraints></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<policyActions></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
<enforcement/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
</policyActions></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
</policyRule></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
</assignment></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">But this does not
trigger any error when I try to assign role B to a user
not having role A.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What am I missing
here ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I don’t even know
how to debug this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your help<o:p></o:p></p>
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