<div dir="ltr">Radovan, thank you for your honest and sincere reply! Martin</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><table style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;padding:0px;margin:0px;border-width:0px!important;border-style:solid!important;width:482px!important"><tbody><tr style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><td colspan="2" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;vertical-align:bottom;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><p><span style="font-size:14px;font-weight:bold">Martin Lízner</span><br>solution architect<br><br>gsm: [+420] 737 745 571<br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank">martin.lizner@ami.cz</a></p></td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;border-right-width:1px;border-right-style:solid;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0px;border-top-width:0px!important;border-bottom-width:0px!important;border-left-width:0px!important;border-top-style:solid!important;border-bottom-style:solid!important;border-left-style:solid!important;border-top-color:gray!important;border-bottom-color:gray!important;border-left-color:gray!important">   </td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important">   </td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;vertical-align:bottom;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><p>AMI Praha a.s.<br>Pláničkova 11<br>162 00 Praha 6<br>tel.: [+420] 274 783 239<br>web: <a href="http://www.ami.cz/" target="_blank">www.ami.cz</a></p></td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;border-right-width:1px;border-right-style:solid;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0px;border-top-width:0px!important;border-bottom-width:0px!important;border-left-width:0px!important;border-top-style:solid!important;border-bottom-style:solid!important;border-left-style:solid!important;border-top-color:gray!important;border-bottom-color:gray!important;border-left-color:gray!important">   </td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important">   </td><td style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;margin:8px;border:0px solid gray!important"><p><img src="http://www.ami.cz/images/podpis/ami_logo.gif" alt="" style="border:0px"></p></td></tr><tr style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><td colspan="8" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"></td></tr><tr style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><td colspan="8" style="color:rgb(128,128,128);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><table style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;padding:0px;margin:0px;border-width:0px!important;border-style:solid!important;width:482px!important"><tbody><tr style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><td colspan="7" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10px;padding:0px;width:480px;border:0px solid gray!important"><br><a href="http://www.skyidentity.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ami.cz/images/podpis/AMI-podpis-Sky.png" alt="AMI Praha a.s." style="border:0px;width:480px!important;height:82px!important"></a></td></tr><tr style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><td colspan="7" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;padding:0px;border:0px solid gray!important"><br></td></tr></tbody></table>Textem tohoto e-mailu podepisující neslibuje uzavřít ani neuzavírá za společnost AMI Praha a.s.<br>jakoukoliv smlouvu. Každá smlouva, pokud bude uzavřena, musí mít výhradně písemnou formu.</td></tr></tbody></table></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-26 11:43 GMT+01:00 Radovan Semancik <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:radovan.semancik@evolveum.com" target="_blank">radovan.semancik@evolveum.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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      So, this has finally happened :-) ... Please make sure you are
      sitting comfortably. There is a story to tell.<br>
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      Long, long ago midPoint was young and most of the current
      functionality was still just few lines on a drawing board. Even at
      that very early stage we somehow knew that we will need some kind
      of expressions to customize midpoint behavior - and especially to
      compute attribute values. We have implemented some of that
      functionality in early midPoint versions. It was only much later
      that we have realized how complex all of that is. That was a year
      or two until the right moment came. And that's where the concept
      of relativity was refined and the mechanism of mappings was born
      ... on one sunny autumn Saturday ... on a whiteboard and a pile of
      papers in my study :-)<br>
      <br>
      However, even in the early beginning we have realized that there
      may be problem with ordering of expression evaluation. Output of
      one expression may be input to another expression. But midPoint
      was young, there was a huge pile of functionality still to
      implement. So we had to make sacrifices. But being responsible
      developers we at least thought about it. We figured out that,
      theoretically, if we know inputs and outputs of the expressions
      then we can arrange them into an evaluation tree. Evaluate the
      independent expressions first, the evaluate those that depend on
      them and so on. The mathematical parts of our souls rejoiced at
      that moment: problem solved!  Theoretically. ... but of course, it
      haven't get implemented at that time. Firstly, at that time we had
      no practical way how to figure out inputs of the expressions. That
      came only later with the mapping mechanism. And secondly we
      haven't got the resources anyway.<br>
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      So it remained like this for years. Curiously enough midPoint
      users, subscribers and sponsors seemed to prefer fancy features
      instead of these little improvements. Vox populi, vox dei ....<br>
      <br>
      And that's where we stand today. Technically the proper ordering
      of expression evaluation is perfectly feasible. Mappings have
      clear definition of source and target, so it is possible to order
      their evaluation properly. The code is not there, but it can be
      added. And now there are (at least) two strong voices that ask for
      this. So maybe this is the right time to get it done. Please let
      me discuss that internally with out team. I'll get back to you
      shortly.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Radovan Semancik
Software Architect
<a href="http://evolveum.com" target="_blank">evolveum.com</a>
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          Martin Lízner - AMI Praha a.s. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank">martin.lizner@ami.cz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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              have simillar problem for which I have no immediate
              solution. I have some default roles induced by user's
              organization membership. But when new user is created and
              automatically assigned to org. (via assignmentTargetSearch
              and usertemplate), provisioning is not completed fully
              (e.g. AD groups not assigned in the resource.). Only after
              I do second reconcile, all is ok.
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                                              gsm: <a href="tel:+420%20737%20745%20571" value="+420737745571" target="_blank">[+420] 737 745 571</a><br>
                                              e-mail: <a href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank">martin.lizner@ami.cz</a></p>
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                                              Pláničkova 11<br>
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                                              tel.: <a href="tel:+420%20274%20783%20239" value="+420274783239" target="_blank">[+420] 274 783 239</a><br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-24 15:19 GMT+01:00
                    Nicolas Rossi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nrossi@identicum.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nrossi@identicum.com" target="_blank">nrossi@identicum.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                assignment based on employeeType</font></li>
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                              know were can I find more information
                              about the evaluation phases on the User
                              Template ? Have you seen <a href="https://jira.evolveum.com/browse/MID-2149" target="_blank">the issue at JIRA</a>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 23,
                                2017 at 1:26 PM, Martin Lízner - AMI
                                Praha a.s. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank">martin.lizner@ami.cz</a>></span>
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                                                          <p><span style="font-size:14px;font-weight:bold">Martin
                                                          Lízner</span><br>
                                                          solution
                                                          architect<br>
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                                                          gsm: <a href="tel:+420%20737%20745%20571" value="+420737745571" target="_blank">[+420]
                                                          737 745 571</a><br>
                                                          e-mail: <a href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.lizner@ami.cz" target="_blank">martin.lizner@ami.cz</a></p>
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                                                          <p>AMI Praha
                                                          a.s.<br>
                                                          Pláničkova 11<br>
                                                          162 00 Praha 6<br>
                                                          tel.: <a href="tel:+420%20274%20783%20239" value="+420274783239" target="_blank">[+420]
                                                          274 783 239</a><br>
                                                          web: <a href="http://www.ami.cz/" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ami.cz" target="_blank">www.ami.cz</a></p>
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                                                          <a href="http://www.skyidentity.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ami.cz/images/podpis/AMI-podpis-Sky.png" alt="AMI Praha
                                                          a.s." style="border:0px;width:480px;height:82px"></a></td>
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                                                          Textem tohoto
                                                          e-mailu
                                                          podepisující
                                                          neslibuje
                                                          uzavřít ani
                                                          neuzavírá za
                                                          společnost AMI
                                                          Praha a.s.<br>
                                                          jakoukoliv
                                                          smlouvu. Každá
                                                          smlouva, pokud
                                                          bude uzavřena,
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                                          17:06 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Rossi
                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nrossi@identicum.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_6129076013195541400moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nrossi@identicum.com" target="_blank">nrossi@identicum.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                                guys, we have a User
                                                Template with few
                                                mappings that assigns
                                                Roles to Users based on
                                                their attributes. It's a
                                                simple model copied from
                                                <a href="https://github.com/Evolveum/midpoint/blob/master/samples/objects/object-template-user.xml" target="_blank">here</a>.</div>
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                                              <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">The
                                                User Template is applied
                                                and the user receives
                                                the assignments but it
                                                is not propagated to the
                                                resources until  I run a
                                                reconcile process on
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                                              <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Is
                                                there any way to
                                                configure the User
                                                Template to force a
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                                                          Newbery 3226</font><br>
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