[midPoint] Midpoint 4.8.1: Disabled Clustering for non-subscribers

Wed Jan 31 21:57:54 CET 2024

Hi

The only reason that was mentioned on the Midpoint usergroup is that supporting generic databases with clustering is quite a lot of work and there are only few customers willing to pay for that.

Just my 2 cents but if you really use Midpoint in a production env, just support future development by contributing to the project.

Best regards
Davy Priem

Op 31 jan 2024 om 21:27 heeft Graham Ballantyne via midPoint <midpoint at lists.evolveum.com> het volgende geschreven:

 Yeah, there's a similar conversation happening in the Internet2 midPoint Slack channel and that was our conclusion as well. It still seems like clustering is now a subscriber-only feature, though?

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On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:04, Timo Klenk via midPoint <midpoint at lists.evolveum.com> wrote:

You can still use PostgreSQL in production, as long as you don't use the (legacy) "generic" SQL adapter but instead use the "native" PostgreSQL implementation (available and recommended to use since MP 4.4).
https://docs.evolveum.com/midpoint/reference/support-4.8/repository/native-postgresql/usage/
https://docs.evolveum.com/midpoint/reference/support-4.8/repository/generic/implementation/

At least that's my take on the release message and when skimming through the changes in git:
https://github.com/Evolveum/midpoint/commit/e070fff19191005c47df3e5c49f7130783954bbc

On 31.01.24 19:06, Graham Ballantyne via midPoint wrote:
I also need official clarification from Evolveum on this. Our reading of this seems to indicate that you can only run in production (a non-H2 database) if you have an active subscription.

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On Jan 31, 2024, at 08:03, Arnošt Starosta via midPoint <midpoint at lists.evolveum.com><mailto:midpoint at lists.evolveum.com> wrote:

+1

And if i may add one more question to the list then

What are the effects of disabling this feature in the code - licensing/legal/other/none?

Thanks!

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I will need a comment on this also.

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Hey there,
First of all, I apologize if my question ought to be posted elsewhere. In that case please tell me where.
I just saw that Midpoint 4.8.1 was released 🎉
However, reading the changelog left me a bit confused about why the additional check to detect if a user is running in a production-like environment was added and why the decision was made to disable clustering in instances without a subscription?
Adding this just in case: This mail is not supposed to be a rant about the change being bad or anything, I just want to understand the reasons behind it and what to expect in the future.
So my questions:

  1.  Is there a specific reason why these changes were made? I can understand that the generic repos were disabled since they are supposed to be deprecated, but why was clustering disabled in a non-subscribed instance?
  2.  I queried the blog, the wiki and the jira tickets but apart from the release notes and the commit log, I could not find any further information on that change, especially not on the wiki pages that explain how to set up a HA instance of MidPoint. Apart from asking in this mailing list, is there a better place?
  3.  Why was that change done inside a Maintenance release rather than a minor/major release? This change is not backwards compatible for non-subscribed instances.
  4.  Are there going to be more features that are disabled inside a non-subscribed instance? Will there be something a "core" midpoint that can be run in production even without a subscription and additional features that require a subscription?
Will there be an extra subscription model for people that want to use these features but don't want/need a support subscription?
If so, does this align well with the principles outlined in the wiki Page on Openness and the page explaining the Dual Licensing?
https://docs.evolveum.com/midpoint/introduction/openness/
https://docs.evolveum.com/community/dual-licensing/

Best regards and stay awesome,
Timo
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