[midPoint] - Manual tasks notifications

Mon Aug 22 15:10:58 CEST 2016

Pavol, good day!

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. To answer your questions; yes, that
would be a standard midPoint resource object indeed. From my understanding
(please correct me if I'm wrong), midPoint resources would be able to
listen events related to entitlements - and those entitlements, would be
linked to roles. As such, that would allow us to trigger custom logic upon
different entitlement-related events. My primary concern is - would that
standard midPoint resource be able to trigger a workflow on an
entitlement-related event? If that's the case, then we might be able to
tackle the cases I've described before.

Let me know if this makes any sense to you.

Thanks for your help.
Regards,

*Rodrigo Yanis.*
Identicum S.A.
Jorge Newbery 3226
Tel: +54 (11) 4824-9971
ryanis at identicum.com
www.identicum.com

2016-08-22 4:14 GMT-03:00 Pavol Mederly <mederly at evolveum.com>:

> Hello Rodrigo,
>
> I'm afraid that I don't quite understand your alternatives. For example,
> what do you mean by "resource" in "a" and "b"? Is it a standard midPoint
> resource object? How it could listen to events related to user roles? Do
> you mean that it should have mappings that would invoke Java code that
> would start corresponding approval workflows? (Probably not.)
>
> Similarly, I don't understand what you mean by "exteriorizing" Position
> data structure.
>
> Please, could you describe your ideas in more details? We'd be glad to
> help you.
>
> Pavol Mederly
> Software developerevolveum.com
>
> On 19.08.2016 23:22, Rodrigo Yanis wrote:
>
> Pavol,
>
> Thanks for your insight - yes, the case that you describe is one of the
> cases that we're facing here, but not the only one. The other scenario that
> we would like to represent is described by the following flow:
>
> 1. A user is provisioned by a set or roles X1,X2,X3,...,Xn that are
> inherited as he gets a value in an attribute that has those roles linked
> (calling that attribute, eg. Position)
> 2. Role Xn approver (that is, the owner of an external resource Xn) gets
> an approval activity for that role to be provisioned in MP as well as a
> notification indicating that this should be manually applied into resource
> Xn.
> 3. Role Xn approver, approves such request, provisioning the user with
> role Xn, as he also perform this task on his respective domain.
>
> I understand the difficulty here comes in (1) as we cannot trigger an
> approval workflow per each linked role to that particular Position.
>
> So we came up with these alternatives - please let me know what's your
> perspective on them;
> By priority and "cleanliness" order,
> a. To implement a MP resource which would perform on the Java API level,
> prior having linked roles to entitlements, having this resource to listen
> the events related to these entitlements and then execute an approval
> workflow for granting that entitlement to that user.
> b. Same as (a), but instead, it would be a resource working on the MP REST
> level.
> c. (Ugly) To exteriorize the Position data structure (all linked roles,
> with their respective owners) + delegate the manual task notifications and
> calls to initialize a workflow in MP to an external database, having a MP
> DB resource listening to entitlement changes for event handling.
>
> Let me know if there's something I'm not being clear about.
>
> Very grateful for your assistance.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> *Rodrigo Yanis.*
> Identicum S.A.
> Jorge Newbery 3226
> Tel: +54 (11) 4824-9971
> ryanis at identicum.com
> www.identicum.com
>
> 2016-08-19 16:11 GMT-03:00 Pavol Mederly <pavol.mederly at evolveum.com>:
>
>> Rodrigo,
>>
>> use of workflows in midPoint is currently limited to approving requested
>> changes. So, today there's no way of starting a workflow that would present
>> a user a work item like "hey you, please do this and then click 'Done'". We
>> plan to implement a "manual provisioning" but it requires a nontrivial
>> amount of effort, see https://jira.evolveum.com/browse/MID-2457.
>>
>> But maybe there's a hack possible. Workflows can be used to approve a
>> change. For example, midPoint is able to approve a role assignment addition
>> (out of the box). Or an attribute change (with some custom coding).
>>
>> If I understand your situation correctly, maybe you could do it like this:
>>
>>    1. You have a resource X that requires manual intervention by an
>>    administrator in order to assign role X1 to an account on this resource.
>>    2. So, you can create a midPoint role RoleX1, with approver defined
>>    to be the resource administrator.
>>    3. If someone assigns RoleX1 to a midPoint user, an approval workflow
>>    process is started, notifying the resource administrator that he has to
>>    "approve" assignment of RoleX1 to midPoint user.
>>    4. At this point, he knows he has to manually assign role X1 on X to
>>    user's account.
>>    5. So he does it, and marks the assignment as "Approved".
>>    6. The assignment of RoleX1 is then added to the user, so he knows
>>    that everything is done (in particular that the role X1 on resource X was
>>    added to him).
>>
>> Does this make sense to you?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Pavol
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Rodrigo Yanis" <ryanis at identicum.com>
>> *To: *"midPoint General Discussion" <midpoint at lists.evolveum.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2016 8:48:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [midPoint] - Manual tasks notifications
>>
>>
>> Bringing this up again - Do you know of a way for Midpoint to, aside from
>> sending that notification upon an attribute change, to also trigger an
>> internal Workflow that would allow us to keep track of the manual workload?
>> In this scenario, the user gets the notification for the manual task, on
>> parallel, a workflow is triggered to trace the start of a manual task, and
>> would be manually updated by the user throughout the change process.
>>
>> Is this "Workflow" idea somewhat plausible?
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>>
>> *Rodrigo Yanis.*
>> Identicum S.A.
>> Jorge Newbery 3226
>> Tel: +54 (11) 4824-9971
>> ryanis at identicum.com
>> www.identicum.com
>>
>> 2016-08-19 15:32 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Yanis <ryanis at identicum.com>:
>>
>>> Excellent. We'll surely try this out.
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rodrigo Yanis.*
>>> Identicum S.A.
>>> Jorge Newbery 3226
>>> Tel: +54 (11) 4824-9971
>>> ryanis at identicum.com
>>> www.identicum.com
>>>
>>> 2016-08-19 15:29 GMT-03:00 Jason Everling <jeverling at bshp.edu>:
>>>
>>>> I can say that the workaround works quite well! Have been using it for
>>>> almost a year now in production without issue and without having any
>>>> "missed" notifications not going out.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Pavol for adding that functionality sometime ago as it has
>>>> proved invaluable for us!
>>>>
>>>> JASON
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Pavol Mederly <
>>>> pavol.mederly at evolveum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rodrigo,
>>>>>
>>>>> please see https://jira.evolveum.com/browse/MID-2237 for a discussion
>>>>> on this requirement. Although it is not implemented yet, there is a simple
>>>>> workaround described there. It is based on using
>>>>> *event.isRelatedToItem* method.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Pavol
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From: *"Rodrigo Yanis" <ryanis at identicum.com>
>>>>> *To: *midpoint at lists.evolveum.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2016 7:20:11 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *[midPoint]  - Manual tasks notifications
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have the need to push a notification only when a particular
>>>>> attribute is changed in a user in midPoint. This attribute would be linked
>>>>> to a set of roles that the user would inherit in midPoint only, hence the
>>>>> need to inform a sysadmin to perform a manual role redefinition in
>>>>> connected applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to trigger a notification like this? Should this be
>>>>> done in the context of a midPoint resource?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rodrigo Yanis.*
>>>>> Identicum S.A.
>>>>> Jorge Newbery 3226
>>>>> Tel: +54 (11) 4824-9971 <%2B54%20%2811%29%204824-9971>
>>>>> ryanis at identicum.com
>>>>> www.identicum.com
>>>>>
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